The Washington Post reports that President Trump used Vice President Mike Pence in his efforts to pressure Ukraine to investigate the Bidens. Washington Post national security reporter Greg Jaffee joins us to discuss. And, the Arthritis Foundation released guidelines for patients who want to use CBD to manage their pain. Plus, a look at the wife of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, Cilia Flores, who some say may be more powerful than her husband. That and more, in hour two of Here & Now‘s October 3, 2019 full broadcast. You can read and hear more at hereandnow.org, follow us on Twitter and join the conversation on Facebook.